It doesn't really matter. I have friends who grew up JW and didn't get baptized. They are shunned just the same as if they were baptized and faded or got disfellowshipped.
This is what is so hard to understand because it is so contrary to nature: If you grow up in a JW family you WILL get dumped by your practicing JW parents. I know there are exceptions, but I don't personally know of any.
The WT is God to practicing JW's for all practical purposes. Remember, they are appointed over all of God "belongings". That means everything including you.
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1985 and baptism...I wish I had read this before today
by enoughisenough ini am posting a link as to being legally bound to jw rules at time of baptism.
i only did a quick skim, but what i gathered is interesting, and what it says about 1985 may be of use to some hoping to just fade and not be bothered.
in 1985, the questions were changed at baptism for legal purposes so they could have causation to defend themselves should you decide to sue for whatever reason.
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Senior JW member in Australia charged with sex crimes and torture
by Nathan Natas insee: https://7news.com.au/news/crime/senior-jehovahs-witnesses-member-charged-with-rape-torture-and-assault-of-teenage-boys-c-8044666.
"senior jehovah’s witnesses member charged with rape, torture and assault of teenage boys...".
the 61 year-old man "faces 21 counts of rape, 17 counts of sexual assault, 13 counts of procuring sexual acts by false pretence and one count each of incest, torture and common assault.".
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Quote: "According to court documents obtained by the ABC, several victims were allegedly convinced by the defendant to participate in "energy sessions", which consisted of standing naked in front of a mirror chanting affirmations."
Sounds similar to other wacky holistic WT medicinal techniques that some JW's are into.
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 ini know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 ini know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 ini know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
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Senior JW member in Australia charged with sex crimes and torture
by Nathan Natas insee: https://7news.com.au/news/crime/senior-jehovahs-witnesses-member-charged-with-rape-torture-and-assault-of-teenage-boys-c-8044666.
"senior jehovah’s witnesses member charged with rape, torture and assault of teenage boys...".
the 61 year-old man "faces 21 counts of rape, 17 counts of sexual assault, 13 counts of procuring sexual acts by false pretence and one count each of incest, torture and common assault.".
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Another JW sociopath bites the dust.
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 ini know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
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Fisherman: You imagine yourself living in the future millennium. Of course many of those living in the millennium won't be saved because they rebelliously reject Jesus just as you do now.
But we live in the NOW, not the future age:
Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
"if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" - Romans 8: 9
"ANY MAN" - Get it now?
Answer this: Why don't JW's preach that they can be reconciled to God NOW? This is the ministry of reconciliation.
2 Corinthians 5:18 - And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;So, again: Why don't JW's preach the ministry of reconciliation which is the message that God gave to the church to preach?
The WT wouldn't ever try to deceive anyone would they?
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 ini know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
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After humanity reaches perfection at the end of the thousand years and walks faultlessly can eat of the tree of life and be saved.
Fisherman: This is the false gospel of the WT. It was unknown to the apostles who preached the "ministry of reconciliation". Why don't JW's preach that they can be reconciled to God NOW?
Romans 8: 1 says that there is NOW no condemnation for born again believers.
John5: 24 and John 6: 47- says we have passed from death to life & that we have (present tense) eternal life now.
Do not imagine that you will receive anything from the Lord other than that which you seek: payment for your works, which you won't like I promise.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. - Gal 5: 4
Do you know what the word "severed" means? "if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" - Romans 8: 9Nada, zilch, zero .... understand now?
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 ini know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
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Fisherman,
Can you walk faultlessly? If not, you got a problem. Why quote the scriptures that condemn you and ignore the ones that save you?
we can only guess what the Bible means by righteous and unrighteous being resurrected.
No, the bible tells us exactly what will happen to the righteous and unrighteous. - all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. - Jn. 5
The righteous will inherit the earth... remember? But scripture announces in several places that "there is no one righteous, no not one". So the only way to be righteous if for it to be imputed to you. And the only way for that to happen is through the new covenant. -
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Where it all went wrong for the WT - JF Rutherford
by LoveUniHateExams ini was thinking a bit about this the other day.
ct russell, from what i remember about him, kinda seemed like a genuine, nice(ish) guy, although he had a few eccentric but harmless ideas.. during the russell era jws (actually bible students) could still celebrate christmas, worship in other churches if there was no kingdom hall available, and accept blood transfusions.. then after russell died, along came rutherford - a major league a-hole, for sure.. rutherford had plenty of eccentric ideas but at least some of them weren't/aren't harmless.
some have been long forgotten about - jesus depicted without a beard, the plan to rename the names of the week because names such as thursday (thor's day) is pagan, the articles about the 'dangers' of aluminium, etc.. one key contribution of rutherford which does a lot of harm is no blood transfusions, even in life-threatening situations.. another is shunning, something which never occurred under russell, or at least was much milder.. rutherford has a lot to answer for, i reckon ....
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Sea Breeze
Pretty much sums it up Ding.
